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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Walk a mile in another man's moccasins before you criticize him."

Just a thought, and I'll probably get burned for it but oh well. Not the first time, won't be the last.

The world is in a near crisis because of the human over population of it. Baby girls being killed in China? Hear of that?

Perhaps homosexuality is God's way of population control?

And, isn't God all about love?

Just seems logical to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Population control... would be another way of stating what I was saying.

And yes, God is all about love. Even in what some people would view as an imperfection .. or flaw... his design of us all is perfect.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. What started out as one person's rant and rave and generally flipping out over a type of player we all find annoying (which is even more amusing when you add in the fact that the so-called 'godmoders' find players like themselves annoying) has turned into a discussion of homophobia.

I do have to say that, as it happens (and I'm sure no one will care, but that's not the point), I agree with the greater majority of Fearsome's beginning rant. I find those people that like flaunting their so-called all powerful characters strongly annoying and have (unfortunately) been hypocrite enough to give it right back to them (although I do try to compensate by attempting to make it amusing). I even agree that the type of person that creates and plays such a character to its fullest annoyance is most likely a male person aged 14-20 years with self-esteem issues.

HOWEVER.

I have played with a few of these people, and they CAN BE IMPROVED.

I believe there was even a discussion of this kind in another thread somewhere.

I hate to bring specific people into this, but to make an example of such a person who started out annoying the crap out of everyone and eventually has become one of the more enjoyable people to play with (at least in my experience, having watched the progress), but I'm sure a lot of us remember what Yejix was like when he first showed up.

The point is (as I have learned) that not everyone is beyond redeeming themselves. Having been guilty when I was new to FFRP (and I was doing this before RDI even existed), I - just like everyone else - had to learn how to play.

And so do many of the player type YOU were ranting about.

Yes, some of them are there just to be annoying. And for them, there's nothing for it but to ignore them.

But the next time you run into one of the 'godmoders' you hate so much, maybe you should try this: EXPLAIN THINGS TO THEM.

Oh, and at least attempt to do it nicely. (Believe me, I know how hard it is.)

I promise you, you'll know if there is hope for them within a few minutes, and you'll be able to either ignore them (making you happy and them frustrated, since nothing takes the wind out of an a**hole's sails like being utterly unacknowledged), or perhaps help them improve their style of play (which makes you happy, them happy, and everyone else happy).

Or - alternatively - you can do what you said you'll do, which is give them a taste of their own medicine. Now, I admit, this is a lot of fun, but not really all that constructive. If you truly don't mind violating your own principles whenever you run into one of those people, have at it.

Now, just to illustrate something that Nat pointed out.

Natolii wrote:
"Casts Fireball at So-So."

It's the :

"Cast fireball and *hits* so-so."

The first is fine as it gives you a chance to avoid or dispel. The second is what upsets people because you are calling shots on the person and they have no chance to avoid and dispel and this leads to the godmoder/powergamer charge...

Yes, it is the called shots with no room to maneuver that upsets people...


I do want to point out something in this that is a flawed assumption.

The second example ("Cast fireball and *hits* so-and-so.") is not necessarily the use of 'godmoding' but could just be someone that doesn't really know any better. (And that aside, said person never says *where* the fireball hits...but again, not the point.)

"Cast fireball, hits so-and-so and envelopes them in superheated hellfire, melting their skin off."

THAT is true 'godmoding' at its purest form, and generally represents those that are most likely among the 'no hope for improvement' variety. The second example used in the quote above is more likely to be someone that doesn't really have much experience.

Okay, done with that.

Now, for the homophobia thing (as well as any other discussions involving race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, handicaps or any other quality one person might have that another person can use to discriminate against them), I have only this to say:

We all bleed red.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, we sure do bleed red.

That whole thing was beautifully put, Finn. Smile Thank you.

Although ignoring has it's place as a last resort, it never really helps people to learn as a norm. It's usually used to just get rid of a player or to get them to stop playing with you. It's a poor learning tool, though probably one of the nicer ways to get rid of someone you don't want to play with.

I think some people tend to give up before they even try to really help someone .... i.e.... they'll ignore people before they even try to explain things... maybe even ridicule and persecute them before they ignore. But there's never really an opportunity for true communication, which is key to people learning. Badgering puts up a wall; Ignoring shuts off that communication.

Sometimes I don't even think it helps to JUST explain things to them ... with some people, that's like dictating...making the other bend. It takes two to play and that means reciprocating in kind. Both sides have things to learn about each other as players. They have things to explain about their characters, so does the other side. If only one side is listening, then half of the true learning is being ignored. And then there are times when people just simply make a mistake. Either way, when you're in a chat trying to get a character introduced or into the flow of playing, there's not a lot of time to explain things and that is where the godmoding comes into play the most often.

I think the biggest part of the *godmoding* syndrome comes from the lack of bending from BOTH sides, the lack of discussing and just plain ol understanding each other... that means both sides making effort to do so, not just one side. BOTH SIDES HAVE TO BEND.

At some point, there has to be some kind of agreement in the interaction of how one character compares to the other or the players will digress in attitude towards each other, and the play will fall apart. At least, this has been my experience and witness.

Just because someone is new to online rp doesn't mean they're stupid or unwilling. Even if they aren't new... if they are someone you are new playing with, things can still be rough. Maybe even more so. People get set in their ways.

Sometimes (and I have experienced this myself from others), if a group of friends tries to play with someone else, they tend to band together against the other person, almost as if they expect that person to do all the bending to the way They play. I'm not sure how fair that is considering it would still be a one sided bend. Isn't that really the premise behind the Godmoding concept? One person/side trying to make the other bend to their ways and whims?

I'd like to think we all have something to learn from each other. Although I'm pretty sure ignoring, dictating, persecuting and belittling people won't ever open up a real discussion to rectify anything. Considering the example of Yejix... I wonder what loss it would've been for others if the player simply got ignored all the time and nobody ever took the time to help that player. From my understanding, someone did.

See, I don't think Godmoding is solely on the rp actions done... I believe it's more simply, on another level, something like this:

Godmoding = one way unbending communication.
Roleplaying = Two way reciprocate communication.

Godmoding tries to force others to bend without a reciprocating bend in return.

In order to really communicate and understand and have that collaborative roleplay, I think you have to be willing to bend honestly with the other player. If you're not listening, not explaining, not willing to bend a little to make the rp work, or if you dishonor an agreement already placed between you and another just because others can't agree to it so you fall back on your word especially in a dishonorable way (or just plain stop playing) and expect the other to go along with it ... or hang forever in limbo.... then you got Nothing but a Godmoding attitude.

There's a verse in the bible somewhere, don't have time to look it up just now.... that says something to the effect of ... take the plank out of your own eye before you try to take it out of others...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"And why do you look at the speck in your brotherís eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

Matthew 7:3
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn Woodwright wrote:
"And why do you look at the speck in your brotherís eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"

Matthew 7:3


Yep, that's the one. Thanks. Cool

That verse is kinda telling of human hypocrisy, no? Something we're all guilty of at some point. Why is it so hard to see our own faults, that we see them mirrored in others and not ourselves? Something to ponder.
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